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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Home Espresso Machines being sold as commercial Reply with quote

I've seen some of these web sites misleading people to think they can get away with using a home espresso machine for commercial purposes. The incentive behind this typically uses a Pod machine, the model is normally priced well below a low end commercial model, and in general, cannot under any circumstance produce a 100% commercial quality espresso, much less keep up with any kind of production.

The old "they don't make 2 group home models" adage, doesn't stand clear these days, so you can no longer go by that as a rule any more. The features on home machines are also a cheap mimick of the commercial lines, so even though they may have plenty of bells and whistles, they aren't necessarily the same quality compared to their counterparts.

What you need to do before purchasing an espresso machine, if you are unsure about if the model you are looking at is a home model, or commercial "ignore the sales pitch kiddies" is to take a look under the hood, get boiler and heating element size, and look in what you already know is a commercial line and compare. Not all machines are made the same even in the commercial area, an in fact, there are some commercial lines that I could compete with a Mr. Coffee, quality wise, so you are wanting to grab the numbers from more then one commercial machine company to compare it to so you have a working understanding about it all.

Take note, to reinterate, the deciding factor in "all" cases is boiler size and heating element wattage, if the numbers are low, chances are it's a home model, or at best, a cheap, low end commercial model. Don't look at the dollar amount as well, I've had a client complain to me about purchasing a 2 group machine from another company only to find it's just a home model, $2500.00 later, I've yet to see if he was able to return it, but the fact that someone tried to pass it off as commercial, especially knowing it's going into a rather upscale commercial enviroment which gives me nothing but contempt for the selling party........

Now...the incentive for those trying to buy a high end home model to use in their commercial enviroment, my suggestion is to look at the low end, one group machines first, many 1 group machines can handle the capacity of the average small locations easily. Taking the next step, I'm only saying this in a "general" sense, going used. It may not be the shiniest, newest machine on the market, but even an antique in the right barristas hands can produce truely exceptional coffee. When you get into this area, always buy overhauled, don't buy used and "been sitting around" and don't pull one that's been on 24/7 for the past 3 years, or you will be just asking for trouble.

Taking that approach will not only save you money up front, but may end up being a longer term purchase then previously estimated. I've found different areas will take longer to get established, it's mainstream business when it comes down to it, and with espresso, a little education of the masses to apprieciate it being done correctly, if at all, and to prove to them that it makes not only a nice treat, but tends to gather people together in a social enviroment.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is one...make espresso at home for about $15. Now this is scary!!!
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000730027817/
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha...at least it is a ingenious and somewhat humourous approach at manufacturing espresso! Recently went to quite an upmarket Hotel here and wanted a coffee. Looked through the menu and saw they had cappaccino. On entering the place I had not seen a machine or a grinder...so was suspicious. The price ($3.00) looked right, but I smelled a trap. I asked the waiter whether it was real, made by a machine etc...yes...yes he assured me. When he vanished I wandered over to the bar to see how it was prepared. It came in a packet "Indocafe instant Cappaccino" and involved adding hot water as stiring ferociously to get a kind of froth resembling that in a polluted harbour. The milk was powdered, coffee instant and taste truly aweful!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:30 am    Post subject: hehe Reply with quote

they gotta keep those robusta farmers happy Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing good point!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:29 am    Post subject: Home Espresso Machines being sold as commercial Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Home Espresso Maker... Reply with quote

I'm not sure if this thread is still alive....

But if we are talking about espresso makers for home the Tassimo Coffee Maker is perfect for those who are tired of going to starbucks just to pay $5 or more for an espresso.
It takes about 1 minute and a perfect cup of espresso ... and a whole lot cheaper too.

It's pretty cool the way it works.... you just put a t-disk in and the machine reads the barcode on the t-disc to determine home much water is needed, brew time, brew temperature etc....

Pretty slick if you ask me.
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